I know yall don't use reacts or stickers but normal people like those. I know you don't think there's any possible use for sending people money on a messaging app but there FUCKING IS man, normies use that regularly to split bills or pay back people for bullshit! iMessage does this and it's integrated into the ecosystem and it works perfectly

it's also not an climate disaster since it's proof of stake not proof of work

idk what to tell you like it's not great but honestly I don't see how it couldve been done better and it's an important thing for a messaging app to have, which drives adoption, which makes everyone more secure. If you want normies to use your app you have to give normies the things they want on your app!!

"oooh but now moxie is getting rich off this!" why do I fucking care if moxie got a few million dollars. my alternative is what? iMessage, so apple, whatsapp, so facebook, or discord, so microsoft soon? and banks to do the money transfer. well I sure am glad THEY aren't getting rich of this bullshit! also can't imagine why signal would be looking for a way to fund their operations lmao

@piggo yeah europeans don't generally do that cause ATMs are free (in the US you get a fee to take cash out) and bank transfers are also free (which you also get a fee to use in the US)

whatsapp does have that feature though

@piggo think that's just czech, it's not a thing in france afaik

@piggo venmo/cashapp do that too yeah

@wxcafe @piggo i don't think it's just czech, I've seen advertisements for it in germany (but never seen anyone actually use it)

@ytvwld @piggo huh

@wxcafe
It's not an climate disaster because the founders pre-mined it all into their own pockets so instead of proof-of-work it's proof-of-helping-moxie-buy-a-boat.

@cjd I don't give a fuck if moxie gets rich to be quite honest

@cjd like let him get his boat if it allows me to talk to my friends. why do I give a fuck

@wxcafe
Think of it this way, people like us introduced a lot of less technical people to Signal. We told them it's good technology and that we trust Moxie to keep our private communications private.

Now Moxie has made a token and he's holding 85% of it in his pocket. Now there are going to be some of these people for whom money is an ongoing difficulty and they're going to see this as their chance to get financial security, and they're going to trust Moxie because we told them to.

@wxcafe
Now an 85% pre-mine is like a root key or a backdoor. He might look after it with the utmost of care, but he also might not. The risk here is that he might decide he's done with making software and he wants to go sell his 85% and move to an island.
And then if he dumps that on the market and walks away from the project, all those people who installed Signal because WE told them to, are gonna be wiped out.

@cjd what are you talking about. this is an exchange currency. you put real money into it, send the exchange currency, then the recipient takes real money out. the variations of the value of the currency itself don't matter, as long as it doesn't vary during the time you're exchanging it. the tokens themselves are worthless, I don't care about them. There is also no mining in mobilecoin. They basically have a central reserve, which is good for a currency that's not decentralized

@wxcafe what’s the difference?

@wxcafe Id have liked to have real mone integration instead of whatever this is 😩

@sidd_harth0_5h4h the point is to keep anonymity

@wxcafe I understand, this’ll also then mean availability in the world instead of Apple Cash in us?

@sidd_harth0_5h4h one burns down trees and the other doesn't

@wxcafe no I mean I don’t know what either does, works 😳

@wxcafe Yes. This. This is correct and good.

@wxcafe attends pourquoi est-ce que signal bad d'un coup

@lulucybrelu ils ont lancé un truc pour envoyer du blé entre utilisateurs dans signal avec une sorte de cryptomonnaie pour préserver l'anonymité des gens (mais c'est une cryptomonnaie qui brule pas des forêts) et du coup les gens sont pas contents

@wxcafe ouais je viens de voir mdr

@wxcafe just cause you asked: What about #Threema?

@rugk I know literally 0 person that uses that

@wxcafe okay that'saybe very regional, in German speaking countries it's quite famous.

Anyway, good other points.

@mithrandir there are no good clients for xmpp, yeah

I would say signal isn't the epitome of good enough, it's just plain good. it works well, the UI is good, and it's always encrypted all the time without anyone having to do anything. it's just really good.

and yeah the alternative to signal isn't matrix or whatever it's texts

@mithrandir we'll set up a decentralized system after the revolution

@mithrandir okay

@wxcafe just kind of wish it was possible to do better than this but apparently not really