americans go wild when you point out to them that something they do is specific to america like calm down it's alright I know it's weird to imagine that some people do things differently than you but you'll get used to it

other countries don't use am/pm notation? well FUCK YOU BUDDY don't you dare point that out to me

oookay? alright 🤷

@wxcafe not to brag but Americans who grew up in households full of immigrants? We're just built better 😎

@kaerhon I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

@kaerhon @wxcafe Opening a PR because I can’t unmute Alderaan somehow.

@wxcafe People in America assume my preference for 24 hour time is a military thing. When in reality I just spent some time outside of the bubble.

@sng @wxcafe gotta imagine 12hr is still most common worldwide for spoken time. 🤔 Kinda wonder whether the swap is slow going in places where the streets roll up at dark.

@wxcafe @sng this sounded interesting so I had started looking at the breakdown (, pink are the 24-only countries) and it seems like the countries that use 24 hour often have many reasons to that affect everyday people rather than just specialists, trains and nightlife and lots of time zone crossing, international flights... Real ambiguity and lots of pressure to be clear

I do 24 written now, 12 if we're speaking since now I have that ambiguity, too, it's very relevant, but where I grew up there was no overlap except a few hours after dark, there were simply no reasons to talk about 0200, nothing was open, you'd not be coming home at it, it didn't exist. XD also it would be really really hard to break the habit of saying "o'clock" in favor of "hours" , I think, which reads number not time to me

I bet it would be fascinating to look at when the things were adopted and see, like does this shift with added trade? Urbanization? Because it's a really funny map!

@pmosetc can confirm that map isn't really accurate, france should be "both in common use", at least orally. if it's clear what the context is I will say "at two", instead of "at fourteen". but never 2am/2pm. and I woudn't write "at 2" I guess...

@wxcafe oh interesting!

Yeah I guess that all changes around with context... but wow what a thing to get mad about XD

@pmosetc @wxcafe In Korea the use of 24 hour time goes pretty directly back to the war. It’s far more common in older people.

@wxcafe @pmosetc @sng Huh. I just assumed you'd have said it in French. :flan_think:

@pmosetc @wxcafe In Korea in the early 90s 24 hour time was used for business, meetings, etc. and 12 hour for personal type stuff. Oh and they mixed number systems. Which made it REALLY FUN to learn.

@sng @wxcafe ...w-wait a moment, do USians call 24 hour time ”military time” because going to wars in other countries is the only time US people actually encounter 24 hour time in practice (i mean, not in military itself, but in those other countries)?

@Stoori @sng no, it's because it's unambiguous so it's used in the military, so people who went to the army get used to it

@Stoori @sng they do say "at fourteen hundred" instead of "at fourteen" as someone normal would, but other than that they use 24 hour time

@wxcafe @Stoori So. While all my devices are set to 24 hour time I “speak” 12 hour time. In the US a native USian speaking 24 hour time is a pretty useful proxy for asshole. Not perfect. But fairly close.

@sng @wxcafe

to sort of mirror this back a little, there *are* those of us with formative experience from beyond, as you say, the "bubble". But we get lost both amongst our domestic neighbors *and* to the view from outside.

That experience is very affirming of both the fundamentals that people are people the world round, but also that, yeah, there's more than one way to do it, and it's often not even the one we do here!

@sng @wxcafe

Example: I'm filling out a lot of forms and documents recently, alas.

I try to use the ISO date format (YYYY-MM-DD) when I can, but when faced with a date field that is 3 blanks separated by two virgules and I know it's a US form, I *have* to apply context to use either MM/DD/YYYY or (worse MM/DD/YY if that's all there's room for). I *know* people do it other ways outside the US, but I'm here now so that's what I'm doing.

@wxcafe Strongly agree. American culture has an absolute NIH fetish and many will fight tooth-and-nail to preserve absurdities. Imperial measurements, 12-hours x 2 days, for-profit healthcare, 90° intersections instead of traffic circles, the list goes on. :flan_facepalm:

@rowens unless you're in the northeast, where traffic circles are a hecking way of life

We got one of these and it makes my brain hurt

@pmosetc *blink* *blink* Huh. That's... something.
Re. circles, they're being incorporated into new construction here in Montana (started 3? 4? years ago, maybe more). Plenty of grumbling about 'em, and lots of folks still have no clue how to use signals on circles. OTOH, many of those same drivers think signals are optional at all times, so technically it's not a big change. :flan_shrug:​ Mainly though they just work, and traffic just flows, in spite of the naysayers.

@wxcafe i think reading 24 hour time is better but something just doesn't feel right with "twenty one o'clock"

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